(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[North American Ing Masters Round 2 Board 6 - Cathy Li (1p) vs. Jie Li (7d)]PW[Cathy Li]PB[Jie Li]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-03]EV[North American Ing Masters]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Kenneth Elliott]C[USGO5 [-\]: Jie Li correctly chooses nigiri, and chooses black
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dp]
;W[pd]
;B[cd]C[norg [3k\]: 7d is an understatement...
ikea [2d\]: he was 9d yesterday
]
;W[ec]C[USGO5 [-\]: AGA caps all amateur ranks at 7d
]
;B[qp]C[norg [3k\]: Has Jie Li won this tournament before?
ikea [2d\]: this started today?
nickBlake [2d?\]: Yesterday the broadcaster must have used the Rating by accident.
ikea [2d\]: ok
norg [3k\]: Wasn't Mingjiu put down as 7d yesterday as well? :P
]
;W[de]
;B[ce]
;W[df]
;B[cg]
;W[cc]
;B[dg]
;W[dc]
;B[fg]
;W[cn]C[ikea [2d\]: is Cathy Li from US or China?
]
;B[cl]
;W[dl]
;B[ck]
;W[en]C[ikea [2d\]: or should i say, first or second gen?
KoCrazy [1k?\]: Canada
ikea [2d\]: oh
masterubi: lol
masterubi: Canada power!!!
norg [3k\]: For all that w is pro, b looks ahead.
]
;B[fp]C[KoCrazy [1k?\]: B goes first
]
;W[bp]C[Brian90 [12k\]: they say 1 p is a 7.3d
ikea [2d\]: for a while there were rumors that jie li was equivalent to a strong pro
]
;B[cm]C[norg [3k\]: Then they realised that actually, he is stronger?
ikea [2d\]: yes, he has won in games against strong pros
KoCrazy [1k?\]: not strong pros
ikea [2d\]: no?
KoCrazy [1k?\]: no
norg [3k\]: Surely the question is, though, can he win in them consistently?
perkisyon [2k\]: ffg,
norg [3k\]: The answer, of course, is yes ;)
ikea [2d\]: wikipedia says he beat Yilun Yang 7p, Mingjiu Jiang 7p and Feng Yun 9p
norg [3k\]: Didn't he beat them all in the same tournament as well?
norg [3k\]: I seem to remember...
]
;W[dm]C[ikea [2d\]: yes, 2006 North American Masters
KoCrazy [1k?\]: you cann't say those are strong pros
ikea [2d\]: huh?
Brian90 [12k\]: yes you can
]
;B[bn]
;W[co]C[Brian90 [12k\]: "they are strong pros"
]
;B[cq]C[Brian90 [12k\]: see. I just did
]
;W[dk]
;B[cj]C[norg [3k\]: They are not the *strongest* pros, but they're still pretty strong, as pros go
norg [3k\]: You don't get to 9p being a weak pro ;)
Brian90 [12k\]: sure. Americans aren't tought Go from childhood, but we can be devilishly clever
ikea [2d\]: who is American?
Brian90 [12k\]: me
KoCrazy [1k?\]: H3
]
;W[hp]C[KoCrazy [1k?\]: h4 is similar to H3
mirlipili [1k\]: no
KoCrazy [1k?\]: same professional imagination
norg [3k\]: I are not American
]
;B[go]
;W[gl]C[Borders [2d\]: just h5?
]
;B[ho]C[Brian90 [12k\]: time for b to tenuki, I would say
]
;W[jp]C[Borders [2d\]: j5 then cap i guess
]
;B[il]C[Brian90 [12k\]: aggresive
Borders [2d\]: good style
KoCrazy [1k?\]: O3
]
;W[io]C[fivelover [3k\]: go cathy
norg [3k\]: Jie Li has already won ;)
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: he won before right?
Brian90 [12k\]: H7
]
;B[in]C[Brian90 [12k\]: hmm
]
;W[jn]C[fivelover [3k\]: hi pu
KoCrazy [1k?\]: w is leading  now
]
;B[hm]
;W[hk]
;B[lq]C[KoCrazy [1k?\]: p3
USGO5 [-\]: Jie Li gets up from the board
USGO5 [-\]: he has just returned
Borders [2d\]: m4 or something to settle the group?
]
;W[op]C[KoCrazy [1k?\]: p4 is listening my p3
KoCrazy [1k?\]: m4 is out of question
USGO5 [-\]: now Cathy Li has left the room
USGO5 [-\]: she's back now
Borders [2d\]: i guess n4
]
;B[ko]
;W[jo]
;B[mo]C[Shukai [1d\]: starting to feel like a KGS game
KoCrazy [1k?\]: m7
Borders [2d\]: w was asking to be split
KoCrazy [1k?\]: W can live
]
;W[po]
;B[qo]
;W[pm]
;B[qn]C[Shukai [1d\]: is cathy li a new 1p?
]
;W[nm]
;B[mm]C[seanpu [3d\]: she was 1p ten years ago
seanpu [3d\]: but not very strong 1p
]
;W[kq]
;B[lr]C[KoCrazy [1k?\]: j3
]
;W[ln]C[fivelover [3k\]: hey  pu
fivelover [3k\]: you shut up
]
;B[mn]C[fivelover [3k\]: no need to say negavive things for the other players
]
;W[lp]C[KoCrazy [1k?\]: agree
fivelover [3k\]: you only say about you,,, nrgavive
]
;B[mp]
;W[lo]C[fivelover [3k\]: merci ko
]
;B[km]
;W[jm]
;B[jl]
;W[kr]
;B[nq]
;W[lm]
;B[ll]
;W[kn]C[KoCrazy [1k?\]: cathy is strong
KoCrazy [1k?\]: handle B's attack nicely
]
;B[oq]C[KoCrazy [1k?\]: R7
Borders [2d\]: i guess r10
]
;W[kl]
;B[kk]
;W[gq]
;B[fq]C[Brian90 [12k\]: extendng corner group by one isn't as big as staking a claim at an empty side
fivelover [3k\]: some trouble  for w
seanpu [3d\]: by the third party, cathy needs to catch more.
fivelover [3k\]: catch more what?
]
;W[pi]C[fivelover [3k\]: hard to catch  any
fivelover [3k\]: q11  nice
fivelover [3k\]:  gamling move
Brian90 [12k\]: b o 17
KoCrazy [1k?\]: M17 may be
]
;B[fj]C[Brian90 [12k\]: ack. so much open areas
Brian90 [12k\]: double wing ftw
TheCount [2d?\]: urgent first, big later
]
;W[fk]
;B[gj]
;W[hl]
;B[im]
;W[hj]
;B[ih]C[Brian90 [12k\]: let b have a center stone I say. K17 would be tempting for me
]
;W[jj]C[Hylebos [3k\]: Its big, yeah, but more important right now to try to squeeze the most out of this white group.
Borders [2d\]: w needs to live first brian
]
;B[pk]
;W[lk]
;B[km]C[Brian90 [12k\]: why would Li start a ko?
Oroth [3k\]: what other choice?
seanpu [3d\]: looking for overtone when playing instrument
norg [3k\]: Couldn't he just n8 and both groups live?
seanpu [3d\]: is she
]
;W[ml]
;B[kl]
;W[kj]
;B[mk]
;W[lj]
;B[nl]
;W[qk]C[USGO5 [-\]: White plays this forcefully
SpenceR [?\]: have the ranks been changed?
SpenceR [?\]: to euro convention?
sabercat [5k\]: Does Q8 cut it or not?
]
;B[pl]
;W[kg]
;B[nc]C[Oroth [3k\]: seems w behind on territory
]
;W[oc]C[norg [3k\]: That's because b is Jie Li
Oroth [3k\]: looks hard to catch up..
]
;B[nd]C[fivelover [3k\]: cathy  is gambling  
fivelover [3k\]: i hope it works
Borders [2d\]: li is such a solid player too, cathy will have to play very actively
seanpu [3d\]: must l16
]
;W[kc]C[seanpu [3d\]: yes, attack b
Borders [2d\]: q15
]
;B[ke]C[sabercat [5k\]: Ji is still attacking white group...
KoCrazy [1k?\]: j16
]
;W[le]
;B[lf]
;W[ld]
;B[kf]
;W[mf]C[seanpu [3d\]: win point is here
seanpu [3d\]: maybe Jie Li was too aggresive, Cathy can take the game over.
]
;B[mg]C[seanpu [3d\]: gambling the whole group
KoCrazy [1k?\]: m13
]
;W[lg]
;B[ng]
;W[nf]C[sabercat [5k\]: but cant black turn around and try to capture Q11 now?
]
;B[jg]
;W[mh]
;B[nh]
;W[jf]C[KoCrazy [1k?\]: complicated
KoCrazy [1k?\]: fight
seanpu [3d\]: chance coming
]
;B[of]
;W[oe]
;B[ne]
;W[me]
;B[pg]
;W[pf]
;B[og]
;W[qf]
;B[od]
;W[pe]
;B[pc]
;W[qc]
;B[ob]
;W[qb]
;B[qg]
;W[rg]
;B[mi]
;W[kh]C[globax [4d\]: n18 lives
Oroth [3k\]: what does b play after q18?
seanpu [3d\]: n18 alive is a failure.
globax [4d\]: m17
]
;B[je]
;W[if]
;B[ie]
;W[hf]C[ikea [2d\]: wah!
]
;B[jc]C[globax [4d\]: m12 possibly bigger than living at the top
Oroth [3k\]: i see
KoCrazy [1k?\]: M18
]
;W[jb]C[globax [4d\]: all out fight.. very dangerous
fivelover [3k\]: i think  w  lose
globax [4d\]: j18
KoCrazy [1k?\]: cathy showing good fighting spirits
USGO5 [-\]: Jie Li has left the board again
cbc1: not a good idea to play fast against Jie.
seanpu [3d\]: female professional players all like fighting.
USGO5 [-\]: now he's returned
]
;B[ib]
;W[ic]C[globax [4d\]: :)
]
;B[hc]
;W[jd]
;B[id]C[Borders [2d\]: even 4ds get lucky
globax [4d\]: just read..
]
;W[jc]
;B[ge]C[globax [4d\]: seems white wins semeai by one liberty
KoCrazy [1k?\]: h12
]
;W[hh]C[globax [4d\]: shicho
sabercat [5k\]: J10 for B?
globax [4d\]: f16??
globax [4d\]: h18 sente
globax [4d\]: then f16 secure
KoCrazy [1k?\]: who is leading
globax [4d\]: i think black
globax [4d\]: h18-n18-f16-s12
globax [4d\]: close game
Oroth [3k\]: s12 seems quite big now
globax [4d\]: b has tyo sevure top
globax [4d\]: secure h17
globax [4d\]: later, ko at b17-b18-a18
globax [4d\]: so i think b better
]
;B[gf]
;W[hg]C[globax [4d\]: next g18,w in trouble
]
;B[hb]C[globax [4d\]: makes m18 and corner miai
]
;W[mb]C[globax [4d\]: b17 ko ?
globax [4d\]: f18 first ?
]
;B[rh]
;W[rf]
;B[bc]C[Brian90 [12k\]: R 11
ikea [2d\]: what is the disadvantage of g18?
seanpu [3d\]: no need to ko, simply play to win the game
]
;W[bb]
;B[bd]C[globax [4d\]: here we rae
]
;W[fb]
;B[fd]C[KoCrazy [1k?\]: s11
globax [4d\]: b should have f18 before b17..
]
;W[ab]C[globax [4d\]: s11
]
;B[qi]
;W[dj]C[ikea [2d\]: b wins big?
globax [4d\]: d16
]
;B[eh]
;W[di]C[globax [4d\]: a few points
seanpu [3d\]: b has been 90 already. w is around 70 more.
]
;B[bh]C[globax [4d\]: depends on who to play b3
]
;W[ef]
;B[gi]
;W[br]C[globax [4d\]: very big
]
;B[lb]
;W[mc]
;B[nb]C[sabercat [5k\]: USGO... what is the time on both player?
seanpu [3d\]: 10 points difference should be np. 
]
;W[ma]
;B[ja]
;W[ka]
;B[ia]C[KoCrazy [1k?\]: m1
USGO5 [-\]: white has 24, black has 28 minutes remaining
sabercat [5k\]: thanks USGO
norg [3k\]: b wins?
KoCrazy [1k?\]: y
USGO5 [-\]: white resigns
sabercat [5k\]: thanks USGO
seanpu [3d\]: Jie Li is very strong
sabercat [5k\]: his group are thick.. when they are fighting.. he always turn around at attack something else
])
